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[Grand Master Sef]

So I saw the stage show & met Glenn. My respect for Glenn has gone up even more. He's an incredible guy.

The show, Beck '08 Unelectable, was FANTASTIC! Glenn's preachin' it the way it is & he's got a message of ACTUAL hope now.

As an Insider, I can buy tickets this week to his live broadcast for you guys. He's doing the stage show again from Dallas but broadcasting it live to theaters around the country. There's one in Cbus doing it on the south west side.

Tix are $20 & would be well worth it. I recommend the show & suggest that everyone go (ESPECIALLY SPENCER) because I'm sure he'd agree with most of what Glenn says (SERIOUSLY)

So think it over and give me a call if you want to do it. I'll also need the money reimbursement ASAP. I can't afford too much on my credit card but I'm willing to get them for you guys.

OR you can just wait till Friday & buy them for yourselves. The difference is that they won't sell out while only the Insiders can buy.
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[Plague]

So this is, this Friday night?
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"Never fear, I is here!"
Jared Sellars (a.k.a. Plague)

[Ravage]

Need definite timeframe, but I'd be glad to go.

[Grand Master Sef]

July 17 is a Thursday night. Its cost $20 just FYI. Its still his stage show but he discounted the price for the theaters. I need to know by Thurs evening because they go on sale to the PUBLIC on Friday. So yeah, I'll call & confirm yer decisions. KTHX.
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[Dana]

I am SOOOO going! Count me in sir!
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[Admiral Trell]

Me too, me too!

[Plague]

Where is it going to be at in columbus? I want to go, but if seating is crapy (meaning like the Ohio Theatre or something like that), then I probably will not.
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"Never fear, I is here!"
Jared Sellars (a.k.a. Plague)

[Dana]

It's at Easton movie theater -- it's a live broadcast via satellite from Texas. So no worries about the seating!
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[Grand Master Sef]

its actually NOT at Easton. Its on the southwest side of town at the Georgesville Stadium 16

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1800+GEORGESVILLE+SQUARE+DRIVE++COLUMBUS,+OH++43228

go there to see where.
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[Grand Master Sef]

Okay, so my parents and my bro are coming, so is Dana, Damin, Jard & Daniel. So we'll have 8 of us. Should be fun.

July 17! Don't forget!

Oh, Dana is the only one who's paid thus far.
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[Talismonger]

Good Day,

I could imagine very few things I would enjoy less than an evening donating $20 to see a Glenn Beck telecast. Glenn Beck is a disappointingly successful talking head who would rather engaging in juvenile ad hominem attacks then try to develop a critically thought out position and defend it in an intelligent manner.

If I wanted to listen to a demagogue, talk about:

Loving America while enjoying the misery caused to hundreds of American citizens and firefighters because of natural disaster (Oct 22, 2007 - Glen Beck Radio Show) 1

Raising awareness/debate about global warming in the same breath with Hitler and fascism. (April 3, 2007 – Glenn Beck Radio Show) 2

How the war on terror will end by putting all Muslims into concentration camps behind razor wire. (Aug 10, 2006; Sept. 5, 2006) 3

How he has no respect for our first democratically elected Muslim congressperson by suggesting that he was working with our enemies and that holding differing viewpoints about the war is tantamount to being a terrorist. (Nov. 14, 2006 – CNN Headline New's Glenn Beck) 4

How anyone opposing the war in a position of prominence is just in it for the money. (Jan 10, 2006 – Glenn Beck Radio Show) 5

I could tune into his radio show for free, which is already too expensive considering the content. Keep your eyes open and your mind sharp, but be careful of anything you choose to put into either.

Be Well,
--Spencer

1 "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." – referring to forest fires burning in California

2 "Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. * * * That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming. Then you get the scientists -- eugenics. You get the scientists -- global warming. Then you have to discredit the scientists who say, 'That's not right.' And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did."

3 "In 10 years, Muslims and Arabs will be looking through a razor wire fence at the West. * * * The Muslim community better find a spokesman who isn't a "yes, but" Muslim. They shouldn't even understand the word "but," because if they don't, when things heat up, the profiling will only get worse, and the razor wire will be coming."

4 "You are saying, 'Let's cut and run.' And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, 'Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.' And I know you're not. I'm not accusing you of being an enemy, but that's the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way."

5 "BECK: Cindy Sheehan. That's a pretty big prostitute there, you know what I mean? I mean, more of a -- Stu, what did we call her when she was in the news? Not a prostitute.
STU: Yeah, we eventually got to "tragedy pimp." Because we believe she's actually pimping the prostitute out.
BECK: Correct.
STU: Which I think is actually the most accurate description.
BECK: Pretty hard to beat prostituting your son's death. Don't you think?"

[Ravage]

Wow, I don't often hear such fired-up Olberman-esque cherry picking about Glenn. Other more inflammatory Conservative hosts, yes, but not Beck.

Considering I listen (thoughtfully) to Glenn probably 4 or more hours per week, I know the context of most of those quotes. The humorous thing is that simply by listening to him (and being largely in line with his views), I would be denounced by the liberal establishment as not having an "open mind" - an ironic notion considering the very presentation of such arguments (containing misrepresented quotes) relies on either a complete ignorance of the man's political views and entertainment style, or willful "misunderstanding" of his arguments.

I know of few people in the commentary business (from either party) who abstain from "ad hominem" attacks as well as Glenn. I obviously don't blame you for not going to the show Spence (I'm sure I wouldn't go watch a Keith Olberman or Al Franken special), but you really should know something about the man before accepting the MSNBC laundry list.

[Dana]

Spence, I have to confess that I'm fairly disappointed. Not just because you won't be going with us, but I'm disappointed that your reasons why are so poorly structured.

I've listened to Glenn Beck semi-regularly for a few years now, and "demagogue" is never a word that I would use to describe him. Glenn is unabashedly conservative, but he doesn't tow the Republican party line. As with ANY talk radio show, there is an element of humor with a deliberate political slant to it. Glenn Beck is anything but a talking head. He's a humanitarian and a philanthropist. I don't say these things as a "fan" of his or as someone who swallows his words hook, line and sinker. I'm an observer of human character and I find his to be admirable. He has real-world solutions to real-world problems, despite his tendency to be silly and take pot-shots for entertainment's sake. It's not like no one else is doing it. The challenge (the part that keeps your mind sharp) is sifting through the top layer of jokes and entertainment and getting to the meat of the commentary.

If we want to talk about demagogy, then let's be fair about it. Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh are far more guilty of it than Glenn Beck, but let's not stop with conservative radio. Have you ever listened to the liberal talk radio show, "The Stephanie Miller Show"? The segment called "Right Wing World" usually takes up much of the first hour of the show. "Step right up folks, get your Republican talking points, get your peanut-size brains, your IQ must be this low to go on this ride..." Mike Malloy features a segment on his show called "Uncle Mike's Story Corner." This segment features a depressing story, usually related to the war in Iraq, set to the theme song of Mister Roger's Neighborhood. Real classy. (Did I mention that Malloy used to be a writer and producer for CNN?)

[Grand Master Sef]

If you want closed minded and out of context look no further than your post Spence.

As the ONLY person in this thread who has listened to Glenn solidly for the past 4 years and who has heard ALL of those monologues in CONTEXT (which I love how you don't take the time to do that) AND as the only guy in this thread who has MET Glenn personally...I have to say that I'm more disappointed.

I was extending an olive branch to you Spence to come listen to a show that I've already seen, in person & know that YOU as an American would probably agree with. What you fail to do is get past the misconceptions that the stupid liberal media has created surrounding Glenn & THAT is the biggest problem with our country today. If people would just chill out & LISTEN to what each other has to say IN CONTEX (thats the important part) then we'd all get along more than you'd think. Glenn has plenty of libs work for him at CNN & they all get along. Of course, you wouldn't know that because you pass him off as some hatemonger because of what you read on a liberal blog. Way to go.

I'm telling you as a long time friend (of whom I hope you would be able to TRUST my judgment on someone) that Glenn is an incredibly nice guy. He just wants whats best for this country & THAT is why he has my respect. I'm disappointed that you would jump to these conclusions that others have fed you so easily Spence.

Tickets are still available & I'm still willing to PAY for you as long as you'd go with an open mind but now, I kinda doubt that could happen now.

If you ever want to talk face to face about Glenn, I'm up for it. I know his style of exaturated humor to make a point and THOSE are the quotes that EVERYONE takes out of context. Image someone doing that to you all the time. Wouldn't that be the most frustrating thing?

I still love ya though.
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[Talismonger]

Good Day,

I don't mean to suggest that Glenn Beck is the worse than Rush Limbaugh. He is unquestionably MUCH better, fairer and more thoughtful in his opinions and commentary. He definitely is not talking from the extreme end of the either side of the political spectrum. If he was like Rush then I probably couldn't even get through one of his shows. (Though I have listened through a few of Rush's shows)

In reference to how much I've listened to his show, I've probably only listened to the Radio Show 3-5 times. I can only seem to get it when I'm traveling somewhere (don't think it's aired around here). I will readily admit that that I have never watched his TV show, since I haven't watched TV in years and don't have cable. I don't even think he had a show back when I was watching TV. Consequently, I have to do independent research to see what he's been saying. You can disagree with me, but I did cite each of my claims to specific comments Beck has made so that you could confirm it if you wanted to. Many of the things he says are fine and reasonable dialogue on the issues. However, he appears to have a habit of going over the line, and lowering himself to inappropriate comments instead of dialogue. Humor can be great, but it isn't funny to call a senator a terrorist or to suggest that far left liberals deserve to have their houses burn down. That isn't humor.

I'll be the first to admit that liberal talk radio can be just as bad. I've listen to air america once or twice, also while traveling. They can be just as over the line, so I don't go to them to get my info either. I basically don't want to hear either side ranting at me. I value hearing both sides of the debate, and believe that conservatives generally have a fair point in their positions. If I can listen to NPR and hear a speaker from the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank) debate with a comparable liberal speaker, then I can hear both sides in the absence of name calling or "humor" as the TV political commentators use.

If you want to change my opinion, then show me that Glenn Beck is fair and balanced in his presentation of both sides. I don't claim to be an expert on him, but I did do some research before I put my post together. Of course his more controversial moments are going to be easier to find. I'm not saying that those moments are all that he is, but I am saying that they are a part of it. I've heard plenty of radio programs that never make comments like that, so I think it is fair to judge him by what he chooses to say publicly.

Be Well,
--Spencer