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[Dana]

...is a myth

Anyway tho, Maagic just told me today it was 105°F in Alabama with a heat index of like 113.

Rick & Bubba did a bit on the show this morning where they fried eggs on the hood of Rick's SUV.
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[Grand Master Sef]

Yeah, its August...the hottest month of the year. Just incase the stupid people forgot...ITS SUPPOSED TO BE HOT IN AUGUST! lawl, maybe if I drive less I can save the Earth!

WRONG!

You believe in Global Warming? You want to "SAVE" the Earth...be a vegan...#1 carbon source on the planet is...COWS! MOO! Ya don't eat cows...the demand will go down, less cows will be raised & there will be LESS carbon in the Earth. However, this won't stop our planet from NATURALLY warmming up & then cooling down again.

The NERV of ANY human being to think that WE can effect this planet the way they say we "ARE" IS ABSOLUTE MONKEY PISS (yeah there's a photoshop for ya)

I'm sorry Dana. I'm just SICK of teh global warmingz! LAWL! Global Warming is a political tool. 20 years from now New York will not be under 20 feet of water! (at least due to what Al SNORE says).

Plus Al, if you REALLY believe in what you preach, why don't you live it? President Bush has a more enviroment friendly house (his ranch in Texas) than YOU DO!

Ahight, I'm done. I know Dana doesn't belive in this poop but I felt the need to EXPLODE on teh warming. lawl.
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[Ravage]

In Qatar today, it was 99 degrees, but figuring in humidity it was around 120.

...still cooler than when I was there. (Yeah, we were kinda bored so we looked up current Middle East temperatures)

[Grand Master Sef]

awesome. I've heard its been cold in Chicago.

OH NOEZ PANIKZ! WEATHAR CHANGES ALL YEAR?! OH SNAP! CALL TEH GOVERNZMENT!!11`12
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[Talismonger]

There is a widespread scientific consensus that global warming does exist. Do the research, don't be a political tool. Media and politician have created the debate where virtually none exists in the scientific community.

The natural rise and fall theory was based on one peak and one valley seen in the last 100 years, so it seemed natural to suggest it was cyclical. However the emerging consensus is that this pattern was caused by a rare period where there was no (read very minimal) volcanic activity on the planet and a new industrial period changing greenhouse gases.

As a side note, bush's ranch is not environmentally friendly. He has joked that he is a window rancher because he collects pickup trucks and keeps them on his ranch. He doesn't actually do any traditional ranching (at least none that I'm aware of).

[Admiral Trell]

Oh dear, where do I begin......

Let me give you several reasons why human-caused GW is NOT worth getting into a tizzy over. Mind you, these examples may sound trite, but I will try to keep these short, lest I put you all to sleep (FYI: there is way more hard evidence behind these than you will find in any pro-human-caused-GW argument).

1) We've only been keeping decent climate data for 120 years.... way too little to start making long term forecasts... it's like choosing stocks based on the last 2 years of data... gotta look at the long term trends

2) Scientists know so astonishing little about climate that it's EMBARRASING when they go on tv/media and sound like they "know what's happening." Bull crap. Computer models cant even begin to accurately predict moisture levels and cloud cover.... that's one thing we DO have a good idea about, and it is likely a BIG part of the puzzle.

3) This is simply the latest "we're all gonna die!" doom-and-gloom hype you get from the media. anyone remember the "new ice age" hysteria of the 70's? Or the "ozone layer collapse" of the 80's? Or Y2K? Bahhhh!!!

4) When I see AlGore start "walking the walk" and getting rid of his multiple homes (which use 20x the fuel my home uses), stop flying all over the world in his private jet (which uses an ungodly amount of fuel per pound flown - and in his case...well nm), and "buying carbon credits" from his own company, well.... people MIGHT take notice, but I'm not holding my breath. More of the liberal "do as I say, not as I do" diatribe. Put another way, doesnt Gore sound a bit like Jim and Tammy-Faye Baker, anyone?

5) MOST IMPORTANT: what is lost in all of this is the #1 factor we SHOULD be looking at: the sun! Now, we've got 500 years of solar data on the sun (thank you, Galileo) and it clearly shows that the sun is going thru a temper-tantrum lately that is completely unprecedented, and NO ONE is seriously talking about this! Consider: every planet in the inner solar system is heating-up too, for some unknown reason, and the last time I looked Exon wasn't on Mars (yet).

Now, I'm not denying that the mean global temps are fluctuating, but the data is WAY too sketchy to start mandating wild changes in our lifestyle... which is REALLY what this fuss is all about. The big proponents of this GW crap are almost all former-commies from Europe, socialists, and people who want to be like them. GW is the tool to the New Socialism: state control of energy means you have direct control over everyone's lives. That IS what this about. Don't be fooled. Oh, and BTW, I receive NO payments from Exon.... ask your favorite green-organization where they get their $$$... you'll likely see the names Soros, Global defense fund, and other radical leftist groups populated near the top.

And let's be clear: climate is always changing (I thought change was good???). If the earth is warming up, then I say, "GOOD" because a lot more people die from the cold than they do the heat. Also, there is a lot of real-estate in Siberia that would be useful. Even so, the main thing to be concerned about is global COOLING. We are way overdue to begin the next ice age cycle, and believe me, that will be a more serious situation than GW.

If anyone wants the hard-data behind all of this, I will gladly share the materials I use in my Earth science class.

[Admiral Trell]

Whoa... that was long. Sorry for the rant....

[Dana]

[Grand Master Sef]

[Grand Master Sef]

I forgot to add...

[Dana]

[Ravage]

The two things I find most disturbing about the current GW discussions are definitely the notion of Carbon Offsets and the (so far quiet) calls for an energy consumption tax.

The Offsets are essentially just a feel-good strategy for the wealthy and the famous. Currently, there is no regulatory agency charged with ensuring that the companies selling these offsets are doing what they are supposed to be doing with them (i.e. planting trees, streamlining more energy efficient consumption habits). Even if there were, the very idea of planting trees as a method of offsetting carbon emissions is scientifically flawed, since it takes most tree species quite a few years (I've heard an average of about 20) to grow to the point where they really start taking in beneficial quantities of CO2. Not exactly a quick fix.

Best case scenario, you pretty much end up with the exact same gross amount of CO2 being released by human sources, but distributed differently. A pretty pointless proposition, except for rich people to feel good about themselves.

Energy Consumption Taxes scare the crap out of me for the same reason that any new tax scares me. Additional taxation means that not only do we damage the economy by further pulling money out of the pockets of those who bolster it, but it gives the government a viable reason to restrict personal access to and use of energy. This goes beyond the seemingly minor proposal to ban incandescent light bulbs and other like measures to the frightening idea that we could eventually be limited on how many lights we can have on, how often we run our air conditioners, how far we travel on vacations, and even how big of a house we're allowed to live in! A bit of doomsaying, perhaps, but legitimate enough to consider.

[Grand Master Sef]

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[Ravage]